English regions, Scotland, and Wales will have their own variants, but these will still emphasise the national nature of GBR. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. During 2020, in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, all passenger train operating companies (TOCs) entered into Emergency Recovery Measures Agreements with the UK and Scottish Governments. The Union Jack will represent. This long term strategy for rail will be a landmark resource, enabling a clear and agreed direction for the railway. British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. Home Forums Id like GN non-Moorgate stuff to join Greater Anglia, as they dont fit in LNER imo. The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. (60163 still carries this livery in 2018) Black. "Great" means "large", not "very good". White letters on a navy background is the way to go. Swiss rail. Correct. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. 1948 -. Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. Old does not necessarily = bad. What is of 2020s Britain then? Then theres the question of livery. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. The current lot is an absolute mess. Read about the differences between Britain, the. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". The rail system is a public service not an art gallery. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. The Overground operates under its own livery. A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. Erm are you sure about that? Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. But it invites an obvious question: what is to be done about it? There was a return of some regional schemes: the Western Region turned out some Mk1 sets for named expresses in chocolate/cream, similar to that used by the GWR before nationalisation. You are using an out of date browser. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. Like the Thameslink 700 "can't be bothered" livery. Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. True. | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Yes i like it, very clean and professional looking. There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. The history of British Rail's corporate liveries is quite complex. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. Likes Received: 1,930. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. On the face of it, this is primarily a reorganisation of the franchise system in England control over passenger franchises in Scotland and Wales is, alas, devolved. The pleasure's all mine. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? Not everyone has a smartphone and when the PIS is not working, I find it good to know where we've stopped. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. There's rather a lot to list if you want to do it completely! From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. It'll be operated quite differently. GW 1 1 Great British Railways And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity. The wholly superior vision of the Campaign for Equal Citizenship is long abandoned. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You are using an out of date browser. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. The double arrow is still overused, though. Great British Railways ( GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain, [1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. Variants where the band was blue (outer suburban) or green (inner suburban) instead of orange were planned, but never implemented.[15]. Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions Non-corridor coaching stock and other multiple units received all-over Rail Blue until about 1980, when most received the same blue/grey livery as corridor coaching stock. Or the awful corporate blue BR? Which does what it says on the tin. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. One of the worst liveries they ever carried, never seen a HST look so poor. It looks like BR. (Something that ought to give die-hard advocates of splitting off the Scottish Conservatives pause for thought.) This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. You are using an out of date browser. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? [10], Andrew Haines and Peter Hendy, the current CEO and chairman of Network Rail respectively, are overseeing the establishment of GBR. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. Just like when a new TOC has taken on a franchise, the old TOC name gets removed and the new TOC name gets badged in top, like a big rectangular sticker. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Much closer to what I was meaning (thanks. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. "Great" means "large", not "very good". However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. A High Speed Train power car (loco) and coach in InterCity swallow livery. The United Kingdom is defined clearly on the passport .. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. The BR Saint & TPO Livery Pack adds additional liveries to the GWR Saint & TPO add-on, enabling you to recreate realistic travelling post office operations in the British Railway era. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. Why? for some form of co-branding. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. Bare minimum, low effort. It does because it's public perception. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. for some form of co-branding. [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. I just see the thing as extremely surface level. 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