People asked for like a decade. Why shouldnt their sexuality somehow be included in that? And hes published a lot of really beautiful pieces about that are basically, What the heck were we doing? 5 out of 5 stars (21,334) $ 9.99. What did we overlook? Sorry to hear that you got assaulted by Jois, too. Karen has been found in 27 cities including Encino, Tarzana, La Jolla, San Diego, Corvallis. Sharaths spot was front right and I think you practised next to him. I mean, every group makes proprietary and sort of like advocacy claims, self-advocacy claims. I guess the other thing that Jois would do is that he would just steal money from students. Scope of practice or defining a scope of practice for a yoga teacher is a keystone of that effort. I mean, objectification aside, and all of those sort of image issues aside, I think the fact that, um, many of Joyces female students were learning in an environment in which he sexually objectified them, thats really pertinent. And then there are a psychological processes that can take over that make recruitment easier, dependency, easier, dread of leading, easier but what she says is that the main thing that the cult does is it rewires your way of relating to people, to everyone, really towards the end of the attachment spectrum, known as disorganized, where youre actually in a constant state of love and fear of approaching, but withdrawing, of going to a person for love who on some level is also hurting you, but you feel dependent upon. Amongst the people who do, this is a difficult book to read and some people have really negative reactions to it. One woman commenting on my last post signed off with #gurufreezone. On file we have 9 email addresses and 9 phone numbers associated with Karen in area codes such as 818, 858, 619, 541, 909, and 2 other area codes. I would like also to thank you, Karen, for being so clear in your interview what constitutes assault and going through all the intellectualizations and rationalisations, that are trying to explain KP Jois behaviour away. Im posting here with a heavy heart the full transcript of Matthew Remskis interview with Karen Rain. Theres always something mysterious or like, or a little bit beyond or childlike or innocent or super spiritual about the leader, about Mr. Jois or about Manouso Manos. In the coming weeks Sharath almost daily mounted me in Baddha Konasana by standing on both my knees with his full body weight. I also want to thank and acknowledge Anneke Lucas who apparently was the whistle blower on this affair. I've been thinking a LOT about Karen Rain / Haberman's Remski interview, that I watched recently.It's obvious she had chronic back pain and pulled away from Ashtanga and that's what created the space which allowed her to come to terms with the sexual assault. It happens to intelligent people. Lets not pretend youre a marriage counsellor. And shes a student and I think shes also an educational specialist. Yeah. You know, I think the whole notion of the veneration of the photograph is so difficult for so many people because there was an intensity with which he would gaze at them or they would gaze at him. Every day, Karen Rain and thousands of other voices read, write, and share important stories on Medium. Karen Haberman might be my least favorite teacher of all time. SIGN UP; . And he created a victim-centered narrative. And the cover-up is still going on. Bless you. Is it about the fact that you went that morning? And also so earth shattering is that you know he doesnt phrase it this way but the research as he lays it out basically says what we have believed about the modern posture, about the modern yoga movement is mostly deceptive. You can update your cookie preferences at any time. Marian was a Charter. BKSs gruffness, his shouting, his way of both electrifying and terrifying a room at the same time. Oh, okay. And all of that really is in the sort of public, very jousty sphere of blog work and social media. I dont know what his internal constellation is like. I know its tough sledding. But when you asked me that question, I think of an amazing accountability statement made by Sarai Harvey Monk who is authorized by Sharath Jois sometime in the 2010s, something like that. She had disappeared! I dont think we have a clear idea of what the commitments, the social and economic and relational commitments, there are or were or were supposed to have existed between teachers and students that might ground all of this stuff. Right now, Karen Haberman lives in Corvallis, OR. You know, but you dont have to do that work because the survivors have done it for you. Now, parampara in precolonial terms, and up until this point, even now in contemporary India, means something very specific about how knowledge is transferred, especially spiritual knowledge in this context. Somehow, I thought the guru knows better and knows my body better than I (where did I get that idea from?) Yeah. So its been a combination of forms of evidence that, I think have moved it out of allegation territory, but more importantly, out of the territory of interpretation where the leader who has perpetrated crimes is somehow beyond the realm of the normal citizen who can be evaluated according to the same standards of evidences as anybody else. The project that I had started with was a broader research project into injuries in yoga classes or in yoga practice. Its really the beauty and the artistry and I would say the sensuality and the sublimated sexuality of and sometimes not-sublimated sexuality of that imagery that is directly coming from Jois. Woops.]. But as way of introduction. And we have endowed it with a kind of orientalist idealistic mysticism, and that has become one of its main selling points. So I had the sense around 2015 or 16 that if what I was hearing was true and I believed that it was true, that it would really rock the foundations of this particular community. So that triple isolation is like this amazing idea. Does it raise my profile? And in the Ashtanga world, you couldnt say around the breakfast table at Mysore: He sexually assaulted me. Prior to that, I was a Hausdorff Postdoc at the Hausdorff Center for MathematicsLink opens in a new window at the University of Bonn and a member of Prof Karl-Theodor SturmLink opens in a new windows group on Stochastic and Geometric Analysis at the Institute for Applied MathematicsLink opens in a new window. Yeah. Really. I had started interviewing people from all communities and methods. I shared my knee problem with Sharath Jois (then R. Sharath) and asked to be adjusted gently or not at all. Theyre supposed to be concentrating on their own stuff. In following you, I know that you have your eyes on many different yoga and Buddhist meditative spiritual communities that have lots of these bad dynamics at play. What has been some of the response youve received or seen in light of the stuff coming out and also in light of your book. Sat: The Sanskrit Term for "The Real Deal" chad. You are my sunshine [silent separation] # Yang ming,Huang xioming. The old shala held 12 mats and my spot was front row, left corner in the 4:30am time slot. And I know youre excellent at eviscerating both of those, those, those veins, right? . Like I bring up the metaphor in the book that if you broke a persons leg and there they were on the ground, you wouldnt blame them for not running away from you as you came in to damage them further. Karen has been found in 12 states including Wisconsin, Alabama, Oregon, California, Colorado. Im sorry that you, and other women had to go through all of this and that I was so close to you and didnt know nor did I feel what was going on in you. You know, theyre attached to money. I was trying through the night to remember how close your mat must have been to mine. Get started U.S. Yearbooks Name Index, 1890-1979. She asked PJ ("Guruji") why she had back pain and got no nuggets of wisdom. Theyre working together. On file we have 38 email addresses and 35 phone numbers associated with Karen in area codes such as 256, 608, 541, 970, 909, and 13 other area codes. For security, use of Google's reCAPTCHA service is required which is subject to the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Use. Looking for info on Karen Haberman? Look up Karen Rain's phone number, home address, email address, and other personal information. That might happen privately in therapy later, but what happens is, and I can hear it in that quote, is that the notion of victim is turned into a kind of psychological state instead of a label for somebody against whom a crime has been committed. [Correction: its the Goldwater Rule. Opportunistic. Sometimes as early as 4, 4:30 AM. I want to thank you for coming out with your story. You can download the mp3 here. Karen L Haberman View Antarctic krill (Euphausia superba) is a keystone species in the Antarctic pelagic ecosystem (Everson 2000;Knox 2007;Trathan and Hill 2016) and also supports a major fishery . I mean in the yoga landscape at large, at least in my experience, Ashtanga, has held this kind of vaunted position as the legit, hardcore, no nonsense, real authentic practice. Whats judgmental or perhaps the better word is just inept, is to continue to keep your head in the sand about what the person that you love did to people. I talked to her about the process of projection, about idealizing a person, about giving up ones power, hypnotizing oneself into beliefs and finally about taking self-responsibility. The fellowship was funded by the FSMPLink opens in a new window (Fondation Sciences Mathmatiques de Paris). Thank you to Josh Summers for interviewing me about Practice and All is Coming. I would agree. Right. I made a few attempts to discuss these things with senior teachers (I was a newie then and didnt practise enough series to be taken seriously) but the response was usually along the lines of Do your practice and all is coming or Yoga is 99% practice and 1% theory. Karen Rain (Haberman), Richard Freeman, Tim Miller, Pattabhi Jois, Chuck Miller, Eddie Stern, Maty Ezraty. And you know, the relationship between the teacher and the student is sacred. Thank you so much Gregor Maehle for your beautiful, honest, insightful and heartfelt response to my interview. Theres this sense that you and the teacher are alone and there are people who absolutely love and they thrive on that and theres no reason they shouldnt. Lived In Amherst MA, Mill Valley CA. I feel like if Im going to a place that still venerates put a Jois-type figure that in some ways my, my showing up is complicit with this network of complicity. They wanted to indigenize these physical culture practices, as forms of national physical culture, but also anti-colonial pride building. And apparently he would stop from time to time, but like somebody who had clearly an illness, he wasnt able to stop for very long. Now it also implies that the knowledge thats being transferred goes way back in history and has been tested by time. And I just want to thank you for that. 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